Posts by Joe Grundy

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Leaked Elder's Video: How to deal with a suicidal sister

by cappytan in

this video will be played at one of the clam meetings in march 2016.. the content is kind of old news because it is a recut version of a previous video produced for the elder's school.

however, it's still significant because it shows that the organization still has dissenting brothers in positions of leadership.. my thanks to the leaker.

feel free to claim credit here.

Joe Grundy

Muddy Waters: Thank you very much. I appreciate that.

Well, I had a quick response from my Samaritan contact. She is far more polite and diplomatic than me (as you might expect).

1. This is not an approach she would take.

2. Being 'talked down to' by seniors/elders may not help.

3. Cautioning about this being wrong or a 'sin' may not help either.

(I said she was diplomatic!)

She mentioned in passing going to the funeral many years ago of a fellow Samaritan who was a JW for the sake of his wife. It was so bad she wanted to leave.

She agreed that it may be worth passing this video on to Samaritans HQ, so that's my next step.

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Leaked Elder's Video: How to deal with a suicidal sister

by cappytan in

this video will be played at one of the clam meetings in march 2016.. the content is kind of old news because it is a recut version of a previous video produced for the elder's school.

however, it's still significant because it shows that the organization still has dissenting brothers in positions of leadership.. my thanks to the leaker.

feel free to claim credit here.

Joe Grundy

"What she really needs, apart from professional counselling, is a rest from meetings, FS and all the other stuff they demand you do no matter how you feel."

What she really needs is a friend is to hug her, tell her it's ok to keep crying and grieving her loss for as long as it takes, and to tell those f^^kwits to p^ss off.

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Leaked Elder's Video: How to deal with a suicidal sister

by cappytan in

this video will be played at one of the clam meetings in march 2016.. the content is kind of old news because it is a recut version of a previous video produced for the elder's school.

however, it's still significant because it shows that the organization still has dissenting brothers in positions of leadership.. my thanks to the leaker.

feel free to claim credit here.

Leaked Elder's Video: How to deal with a suicidal sister

by cappytan in

this video will be played at one of the clam meetings in march 2016.. the content is kind of old news because it is a recut version of a previous video produced for the elder's school.

however, it's still significant because it shows that the organization still has dissenting brothers in positions of leadership.. my thanks to the leaker.

feel free to claim credit here.

Joe Grundy

cofty and fastjehu:

Thanks for that. I have forwarded the video to a contact who is a very active 'Samaritan' and asked for her thoughts. I think it should be forwarded to other interested parties and will do so.

Another thought strikes me: just like child and other abuse, the JWs are paranoid about keeping these problems '''in house' - and yet there is NO qualified (or, it seems to me, unqualified yet empathetic) help or advice available.

Disgusting.

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Leaked Elder's Video: How to deal with a suicidal sister

by cappytan in

this video will be played at one of the clam meetings in march 2016.. the content is kind of old news because it is a recut version of a previous video produced for the elder's school.

however, it's still significant because it shows that the organization still has dissenting brothers in positions of leadership.. my thanks to the leaker.

feel free to claim credit here.

Joe Grundy

OK, numptie question.

When I click on the video in the OP I get a brief (blue) link, then it goes straight into the video.

How do I find a link thing I can include in an e-mail to those who need to see this?

Thanks.

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Leaked Elder's Video: How to deal with a suicidal sister

by cappytan in

this video will be played at one of the clam meetings in march 2016.. the content is kind of old news because it is a recut version of a previous video produced for the elder's school.

however, it's still significant because it shows that the organization still has dissenting brothers in positions of leadership.. my thanks to the leaker.

feel free to claim credit here.

Joe Grundy

Just some thoughts:

1. Mary leaves the KH in tears (No-one notices or cares)

2. She asks for help

3. More tears 'I can't take this any more'

4. 'Emotional setback'? FFS! She is a young woman, recently bereaved. EMOTIONAL SETBACK?

5. 'I can't get over this. I'm worn out. I don't wish to go on.'

6. Satan???

7. Integrity? Feelings?

8. Relate to Job

10. Integrity keeper. Immoral thoughts.

11. Read Psalms

12. 'I need all the help I can get'

13. Look to/focus on the future

14. Your assignment

15. Cookies!

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Leaked Elder's Video: How to deal with a suicidal sister

by cappytan in

this video will be played at one of the clam meetings in march 2016.. the content is kind of old news because it is a recut version of a previous video produced for the elder's school.

however, it's still significant because it shows that the organization still has dissenting brothers in positions of leadership.. my thanks to the leaker.

feel free to claim credit here.

Joe Grundy

"It's genuine Joe. They used it to train elders in how to interact with people with depression"

Thank you. If they're going to show this at CLAM meetings, it over-rides any subsequent more proper advice.

Now to promulgate it. Let them hang by their own petard, I say.

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Leaked Elder's Video: How to deal with a suicidal sister

by cappytan in

this video will be played at one of the clam meetings in march 2016.. the content is kind of old news because it is a recut version of a previous video produced for the elder's school.

however, it's still significant because it shows that the organization still has dissenting brothers in positions of leadership.. my thanks to the leaker.

feel free to claim credit here.

Joe Grundy

"What can l say apart from is this a set up or a joke of some kind?lt cant be for real can it?Surely not."

I hope that it is a set-up, a joke or a parody -but from what I've read here it (sadly) seems to be genuine.

Can anyone here confirm this as 100% genuine? If so, it needs to be promulgated.

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Leaked Elder's Video: How to deal with a suicidal sister

by cappytan in

this video will be played at one of the clam meetings in march 2016.. the content is kind of old news because it is a recut version of a previous video produced for the elder's school.

however, it's still significant because it shows that the organization still has dissenting brothers in positions of leadership.. my thanks to the leaker.

feel free to claim credit here.

Joe Grundy

Thinking about this video more rationally - and accepting it as official WT policy - I have some more thoughts.

Here in UK we have the charity 'The Samaritans' which runs anonymous phone helplines, and more. They do a superb job provid'Samaritans'ing someone to talk to when suicidal. They are trained and know what they are doing. My mother, my brother, and ex-wife #1 were 'Samaritans' and I have a huge respect for this charity. ('Charity' in its proper sense, not the WT sort). It is widely regarded.

I would love to forward this video to the Samaritans and ask for their comments.

I was also thinking about the ARC. Mr Stewart perceptively noted the 'captive concept' of this cult. Would forwarding a copy of this video enhance the understanding of the ARC about their cult procedures?

And the current UK enquiry under HHJ Lowell Goddard. This video, = current teaching, may inform the enquiry.

And, less rationally, that sleazeball slimeball elder in the video needs a smack or a kick in the nuts to wipe that greasy smile off his face. (That was not a rational comment, and I apologise for it.)

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Leaked Elder's Video: How to deal with a suicidal sister

by cappytan in

this video will be played at one of the clam meetings in march 2016.. the content is kind of old news because it is a recut version of a previous video produced for the elder's school.

however, it's still significant because it shows that the organization still has dissenting brothers in positions of leadership.. my thanks to the leaker.

feel free to claim credit here.

Joe Grundy

OK, I'm showered, caffeined and nicotined.

But no less affected by this video - and I am assuming here from previous comments that this is being held up as the correct response by the 'Chosen Ones'. Barf.

Suicide

I have some experience of this. Professionally and personally, and in this context I don't mind sharing.

I was a police officer for 30 years. I have seen many suicides up close, by various methods, and had the experience of telling loved ones about it. My last posting, as a supervisor, involved being 'on-call' and my most poignant memory is of going out at 3 am to the suicide of a 15 year old girl. I cried with the parents. This is not recommended professional behaviour. I had a daughter the same age.

My father in law hung himself - he was younger than I am now. I had the job of telling my then wife, our children, and organising the funeral.

And personally - I've been there, more than once. PTSD and other stuff. I'm still here. I probably wouldn't be if the help I received was limited to the sh*tbags in this video.

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